Re: Lou Reed - Winter 1970 demos: a query
Posted: 10 Jul 2008 13:19
mg196 wrote:Additionally, I am gonna go out on a limb and say this is the Winter of 1969/70 as opposed to 1970/71. In the Deluxe 2CD Loaded Edition, the booklet has a picture of a studio recording sheet dated 15-16 April 1970, and the song "Oh Gin" on it. At that point, the song was almost in its final form.
Also, I have always read that Kill Your Sons dates from Lou's VU-era, yet I can't recall ever hearing a version of it from that time. Perhaps this is it...finally seeing daylight?
Based on those two points (one is fact, the other is somewhat hearsay), I'd say this is still Lou while he was still in the Velvet Underground. This is NOT solo Lou.
This is all conjecture of course.
I am nearly certain that this was post VU, making it 1970. "Oh Gin" had been recorded by the VU yes, but it was not released. I do not think that Reed had even met the Robinsons until the post-VU time period. The following article seems to infer this...
"Biography
As producer, Richard Robinson's main credential is doing Lou Reed's first solo album, and generally aiding Reed in making the transition from ex-Velvet Underground leader to solo star. At the beginning of the 1970s, Robinson was hardly the kind of industry vet one might have assumed would qualify for work with an artist of Reed's stature. He had done records for the Flamin' Groovies and Hackamore Brick, both cultish back-to-basics bands that drew huzzahs from some rock critics, and have in retrospect been lauded by some writers as vague antecedents of new wave, as the groups ran counter to the more psychedelic and progressive trends of the day. At the time, however, they were just little-known bands and LPs. And Reed, actually, was not too famous himself, the Velvet Underground having sold few records, and their international cult having yet to develop into the monster it eventually became.
Robinson had also been involved in other media, working as a rock writer for Go magazine, and doing a radio show on New York's WNEW. With his wife (and fellow rock writer) Lisa Robinson, and Lenny Kaye, he started the music magazine Rock Scene, one of the less serious-minded rock publications of the 1970s. Richard Meltzer once wrote that Lisa Robinson would throw parties for Reed, with the purpose of ingratiating the Robinson couple with the singer-songwriter, and then getting him on the comeback trail as a solo artist, with Richard Robinson as producer. It was a groupie-like situation, but the benefits did run both ways. Reed was in a state of lethargy, not doing much of anything for months after leaving the Velvet Underground in 1970, and needed some motivation to rebuild his musical career as a soloist. And Richard Robinson did get to coproduce (with Reed) Reed's first album, Lou Reed, in London for RCA in 1972. The record, however, was underproduced and did not get the most out of the material, which included leftovers from the Velvet Underground era that had not made it onto the Velvets' four studio LPs, such as "Lisa Says," "I Can't Stand It," "Walk and Talk It," and "Ocean." Oddly, supporting musicians on the album included Rick Wakeman and Steve Howe of Yes, as well as veteran British session drummer Clem Cattini. For his next album, Reed let Robinson loose and worked with David Bowie, resulting in the much more successful Transformer.
The irascible Reed was not done with Robinson, however, and worked with him again on Street Hassle, one of the performer's better late-1970s albums. Robinson's most notable other production jobs were of the Flamin' Groovies' Teenage Head and David Johansen's first solo album. Richard and Lisa Robinson were active throughout the 1970s as rock writers and general scenemakers in the New York rock world. As of 1999 Richard Robinson was marketing magic products and developing websites about magic and for magicians. ~ Richie Unterberger, All Music Guide "
