'Velvet Underground 1966' boot CD

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Mark wrote: Can anyone confirm whether the original '80s vinyl boots of this show (eg the Bernd one) use the Melody Laughter and Nothing Song titles?
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This is a scan from the back of my 1966 LP there are no other relevant titles on labels etc. Interesting it says re-mix on the info panel.
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Many thanks for the fascinating e-mail exchanges!!

'Melody Laughter' is given as the mooted title (with question mark) of the first improvisation on the 1993 Raven Records 3CD compilation, What Goes On.

The "Mind The Magic" release of Valleydale (on two separate discs called "Live In Columbus") is from late 1992 or early 1993 as well, and it has both "Melody Laughter" and "The Nothing Song" printed on the cover.

Then there is the Maureen Tucker interview conducted by Milstein, Kostek and Messer between 1980 and 1990 (!) and published in "What Goes On" issue 4 from 1990, where at one point she says: "We used to do one called "Melody Laughter" (reprinted on p. 135 in The Velvet Underground Companion).
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Can't thank you enough Mark, for your efforts. Clue them in to the 'Velvet Underground in Boston' leak. They'll appreciate it.

How much money would a copy of 'Velvet Underground 1966' (LP) sell for? It has a rich history, I now know; however 'Melody Laughter' is truncated and faded out by about two minutes. I own a never-played copy of 'Velvet Underground 1966' (LP). I know this for a fact because it was still sealed when I bought it, but I decided to open it as the plastic took away from the richness of the thick, matte paper.

I'm assuming 'Caught Between the Twisted Stars' is cassette-source as well?

A la Melody Laughter, funny how not one single audio reel copy exists in unedited form...
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probably not as much as you'd think.

All this discussion makes me wonder about the cassette copy I alluded to in a previous post here (the "barking dog" version). I received that in 1984/85 from someone who had had it for some time. Is Melody Laughter unedited? I have to admit I've never sat down and compared it with any other version (I have the "1966" LP, both the "Live Columbus" CDs, "Move Back" CD, "Down For You Is Up" LP, "The Warlocks" LP + the "official" release). Is there an easy way to identify exactly where the "edits" are (or has that been explained here already and I've missed it?).


feelingfresh wrote:Can't thank you enough Mark, for your efforts. Clue them in to the 'Velvet Underground in Boston' leak. They'll appreciate it.

How much money would a copy of 'Velvet Underground 1966' (LP) sell for? It has a rich history, I now know; however
I'm assuming 'Caught Between the Twisted Stars' is cassette-source as well?

A la Melody Laughter, funny how not one single audio reel copy exists in unedited form...
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Thanks for all the information gentlemen, and glad you've enjoyed reading what Doug and Richard have sent. I will feed back to Doug the info about the titling of the instrumentals, and point him towards the Boston video.

Lurid, the discussion of the cuts on Melody Laughter is on page 2 of this thread - the most significant cut appears at about 27m 27s on the 45th CD. It's during all the "yeah yeah, ba ba ba" stuff.
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Incidentally, I don't have any of the earlier boots or tapes of the Columbus show. As we know from the previous emails from Doug, even Move Back has chunks cut out between songs to make the whole thing flow better. Do any of the other circulating copies have these sections (uninteresting as they may be)? And what's the deal with Waiting for the Man - does it just skip a section?
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Another message from Doug:

Regarding the tape flip I spotted on IWFTM:
Yeah, I think the tape "flip" was most noticeable on 'Man.
Regarding the missing bits on Melody Laughter and the inteference on Heroin:
I don't know the "small missing sections," but it just must be the two different edits, and trying (with Move Back!) to remove the lengthly tuning up/whatever, but leave anything genuinely interesting. I think the "Bernd" CD was just fade in, fade out. The clicking sounds, I have no idea about. I don't recall them, and probably won't A/B the two CDs to come up with an answer. When I initially listened back to Move Back! (and I must be talking about twenty years ago or thereabouts) I remember hearing a low hum on disc 2 (I think) that I had never caught in the studio. I don't know where that came from, but maybe less than perfect mastering on my part! I did try, though!
Regarding my questions about seeing the early Stooges:
As for the Stooges ? it was pre-first LP Stooges. Since I had never heard them before, and I referred to it as a "big, simple sound" that I liked and was intrigued by, it may have been a long No Fun or I Wanna Be Your Dog. I still love that first album. Yeah, Fun House is great, too (Raw Power, ditto) ? but that first one! I later saw them at the Detroit Rock 'n' Roll Revival, along with the MC5, Chuck Berry, Dr. John, Sun Ra (!) ? a whole day of cool sounds. Anyway, that still may have been before the first LP came out. Then between the first two LPs, they were in Cincinnati (as was I) at the Ludlow Garage. Iggy prowled the audience and scared my girlfriend. That concert leaned toward Fun House.
Regarding the bits of the Mekas film soundtrack that I can hear in the background between some songs:
Yes, the Exploding Plastic Inevitable included Warhol movies projected on the band. Since Valleydale was a Swing-era ballroom, the EPI people (I don't remember if there was anyone else besides the VU&Nico, Dave Faison, the road manager, and Gerard, the dancer) taped-up rolls of white paper to project the movies on. Gerard danced his flashlight dances and "shooting up" for Herion. The between song music was the sound of the Warhol movie soundtracks. The one movie name I remember (for whatever reason) was "Vinyl." Oh, also the psych-classic lightball projected reflections around the room. Pretty heady stuff for midwestern college students in 1966! If you have Move Back!, I used photos on the jacket graphics from the Cincinnati Enquirer newspaper coverage of the Cincinnati EPI. On the cover, there's what I always guessed as Cale's eye projected over the band ? that gives some sense of what it looked like. The back cover shows audience members outlined by the projectors. Not high tech. Not big budget. On the inside, there's a photo of Gerard dancing, and one of Gerard, Nico and Dave Faison enjoying some hors d?oeuvres!
Regarding VUAS:
Mike Kostek, that's right! The first time he called me, it was his lady friend (I guess) acting like a corporate secretary telling me that Mike Kostek would like to speak with me.
Regarding the possibity of ever digging out the tape again for a fresh transfer:
As to another mastering of the old tape, it's up in a cabinet in my bedroom (I hope my daughters just don't throw it away, someday ? what's this old thing?), and hasn't been touched for twenty years. I was hoping that Universal would fly me into NYC to master it for the big time, but baring that, I'm done with it really. Done with that project. Now if money was involved (not to sound greedy ? just to make it worth my while!)..
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Mark wrote:Now if money was involved (not to sound greedy ? just to make it worth my while!)..
Thanks Mark for all the detailed information. I love the back stories behind important recordings and its great that its recorded here for history.
Now shall we have a whip round (sorry no pun intended) - say 20 bucks each to organise & hear the best version of this vital tape before it is chucked out by his daughter?
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Thank you very much for this information Mark. I find it really disappointing that Universal didn't contact him to transfer the tape again for the 45th anniversary release. It unfortunately again shows that they aren't committed to doing these live show releases to the highest quality possible.

How about a photo of the tape itself?
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I'm up for chipping in if there's going to be a community effort.
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