flippikat wrote:As far as 'Loaded' goes, "Fully Loaded" edition of Loaded from a few years ago has stolen the thunder of a 45th Anniversary deluxe. Unless the deluxe edition offers something new (a live recording, or some other outtakes that haven't yet been officially released) then it's just re-hashing an old 'expanded edition'.
Well, of course it's Atlantic so I'd not expect exactly the same format as with Universal. But they've expanded Max's as far as they could (which is pretty good IMO). Still, I'd very much like to see a book-style Super Deluxe set of Loaded, since there's enough to put on there:
The original album, with the 1970 edits reinstated (after all, that's the original album as issued)
The "full versions" of "Sweet Jane", "Rock and Roll" and "New Age" (the real long one, not the semi-long one with the bad splice)
Any mono versions we may have (only the single tracks, AFAIK)
All the PSAS and Fully Loaded demos bar "I Found a Reason", which belongs to a 1969 "Lost Album" Super Deluxe set IMHO, not Loaded
A 1970 live concert - Second Fret, perhaps, or one of the Max's tapes?
Anything other suggestions? Perhaps sacrilege, but would be fun to have "She'll Make You Cry" and "Friends" on there as well...
+1 for Friends & She'll Make You Cry - they're a missing piece of the jigsaw at the moment.
The live content on a deluxe Loaded would have to be the Joseph Freeman Max's tape surely.
Complete set of 1969 recordings, in original mixes where possible? YES YES YES. Use Sterling's acetate of Foggy Notion etc if necessary (currently in the hands of Jeff Gold I gather). And more sympathetic mixes of the tracks for which there are no original mixes - the fact they re-did Guess I'm Falling in Love and Hey Mr Rain gives me hope on that front.
arjan wrote:
Anything other suggestions? Perhaps sacrilege, but would be fun to have "She'll Make You Cry" and "Friends" on there as well...
Why would it be fun to have two post Reed songs on there and why are they a missing piece of the puzzle? Why those two particular tracks? Just why?
I agree that 'Lost' material would be separate from 3rd . It's also time that Coney Island Steeplechase and Ferryboat Bill were given their due after Sundazed ignored them for some of the more obvious Rock stuff.
3rd is clearly Valentin, Closet, outtakes (of which I assume plenty might exist), and I would hope an early Yule-period live gig. There is so much later '69 live stuff already available - it's well covered. What we really need is to hear one of the late Cale era gigs playing Foggy Notion, What Goes On and Beginning to See the Light.
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Mark wrote:Use Sterling's acetate of Foggy Notion etc if necessary (currently in the hands of Jeff Gold I gather)..
Yes, or even emulate the sound of that acetate in a new mix. It's the best version. Light on the bass as on the Foggy Notion EP.
Mark wrote:the fact they re-did Guess I'm Falling in Love and Hey Mr Rain gives me hope on that front.
I'm not sure they did such a good job on GIFIL. What happened to the guitar in the left channel? That guitar sound is better presented on Another View.
arjan wrote:
Anything other suggestions? Perhaps sacrilege, but would be fun to have "She'll Make You Cry" and "Friends" on there as well...
Why would it be fun to have two post Reed songs on there and why are they a missing piece of the puzzle? Why those two particular tracks? Just why? [/quote
Because the session only took place a couple of months after Loaded, and represents a possible post-Lou future as well as being the last time Doug, Sterling and Moe were in the studio together. They can't be all bad, surely!
3rd is clearly Valentin, Closet, outtakes (of which I assume plenty might exist), and I would hope an early Yule-period live gig. There is so much later '69 live stuff already available - it's well covered. What we really need is to hear one of the late Cale era gigs playing Foggy Notion, What Goes On and Beginning to See the Light.
Get hold of Jamie Klimek someone and prise the master to La Cave '68 from his hands, and whatever else he's got!
Mark wrote:Because the session only took place a couple of months after Loaded, and represents a possible post-Lou future as well as being the last time Doug, Sterling and Moe were in the studio together. They can't be all bad, surely!
Yeah - that and the fact it's a missing / unrepresented bit of the story: that period of about a year or so after Lou left when there were enough people still around that you could just about make a case for legitimately still calling it The Velvet Underground.
Mark wrote:Yeah - that and the fact it's a missing / unrepresented bit of the story: that period of about a year or so after Lou left when there were enough people still around that you could just about make a case for legitimately still calling it The Velvet Underground.
A band without their original front man and songwriter makes for a slim case, I think.
Sorry to go off topic but I hadn't listened to that album (Squeeze) since I was a teenager. I forgot/didn't realise how C&W it was. I guess then that a lot of that C&W style on Loaded also came from Doug Yule. It surprises me how much influence he may have had. I acknowledge how others have said the same thing - but I never realised its truth until listening to a bit of Squeeze again. What really surprises me is for Reed to acquiesce to Yule's musical ideas when he had sacked Cale just two years earlier. I assumed he was fed up then of Cale's increasingly strong influence over their sound and yet allowed a similar thing to happen. For me the C&W materials are the least interesting part of Loaded.
iaredatsun wrote:A band without their original front man and songwriter makes for a slim case, I think.
Well, many bands tried to and some even succeeded (Genesis post-Gabriel, many hard rock bands) - and yes, some failed (The Doors, Genesis post-Collins). (I'm not outing myself here as a prog fan, rest assured.)
And it's not downplaying Lou's importance either - the band were indeed mortally wounded AFAIC. But there's just no denying the fact they tried, and legitimately too, Sterling and Moe included.
iaredatsun wrote:A band without their original front man and songwriter makes for a slim case, I think.
Well, many bands tried to and some even succeeded (Genesis post-Gabriel, many hard rock bands) - and yes, some failed (The Doors, Genesis post-Collins). (I'm not outing myself here as a prog fan, rest assured.)
And it's not downplaying Lou's importance either - the band were indeed mortally wounded AFAIC. But there's just no denying the fact they tried, and legitimately too, Sterling and Moe included.
A while back somebody argued on here - quite convincingly in my opinion - that of all the times the VU could be said to have ended (after Max's, in 1973, etc.) the most legitimate time was at the end of 1971, when (for the first time) they ceased to function as a touring band and effectively disbanded. I've always held that view since then, so yes, I'd love to hear "She'll Make You Cry" and "Friends".
