New Sundazed VU vinyl box set!

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Elvis Plebsley wrote:Would they have to pay the band more to release previously unavailable mixes? Or to release new sympathetic mixes. I'd guess yes, in both cases.
Elvis. As far as I understand a new mix of a mechanical recording counts as the same song, the same performance and the same recording in terms of royalties due to the performers. I don't think the band would get more unless they were paid as consultants in the mixing process. I think the real difficulties that Sundazed and UMG would face would be the cost of a new mix (studio and technician time) and getting permission from the band as they probably have IP rights in the recording even if UMG still outright own the tapes. The cost alone may prevent Sundazed from pursuing it if it eats into their profits unless UMG paid for it. Getting the band to agree would probably be a long and arduous task given what we know.

As far as using the original mixes... Well, would they have to approach the band to get an agreement? That might the main difficulty. I get the idea that Reed is dead against (ok, it's hearsay, but heard on this forum) releasing any still unreleased materials. But then the question is ? how did UMG get to release the original mixes of Temptation and Stephanie Says in 2005? It's pretty sure that nothing was happening with Reed and Cale at that time. So did UMG 'sneak' them out?

The other impediment may be simply commercial. Sundazed and UMG may not want to put them out for fear of negative critical and market responses to the rough mixes. They would have to play that carefully to let buyers know that this was the best decision. I somehow think that the record companies want a polished user-friendly commercial product and therefore do not really have the incentive to put out rough mixes.

All this is speculation and it would be nice to get some information from a trusted source on this but I doubt that we will.

I wish we knew what was left unreleased on the tapes, though.
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iaredatsun wrote:I wish we knew what was left unreleased on the tapes, though.
Maybe some of the stuff mentioned here - the legendary Sad Song done at the same time as Foggy Notion, or stuff recorded the same month like Sandy Sex, Steve's Tune or War-Ho.

Or the stuff mentioned here - songs apparently in the vault but with no indication of when they were done:

Get Together
Black Widow Blues
Diddy Wha
It's Gonna Rain Tomorrow
Sally Sex

Hmm...
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iaredatsun, Interesting response, thanks. Maybe it does come down to the economics of doing the mix versus likely sales. Lou does cop the blame for the lack of movement on further releases, but I'm pretty sure that Sal Mercuri firmly debunked that on here some time ago.

Mark - that list kills me and you just had to dig it up again didn't you :cry:
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Mark wrote:
iaredatsun wrote:I wish we knew what was left unreleased on the tapes, though.
Maybe some of the stuff mentioned here - the legendary Sad Song done at the same time as Foggy Notion, or stuff recorded the same month like Sandy Sex, Steve's Tune or War-Ho.

Or the stuff mentioned here - songs apparently in the vault but with no indication of when they were done:

Get Together
Black Widow Blues
Diddy Wha
It's Gonna Rain Tomorrow
Sally Sex

Hmm...
Sundazed have said there might be some new stuff on the set, not that that will be. I'm glad this set is coming out, but would have preferred individual releases - a good mono WL/WH reissue will make the world a better place, but the sound on the mono disc of the Deluxe VU&N 2CD was underwhelming IMO. I bought the Quine Tapes vinyl after reviews here, but I don't think I'll be getting this set just to get a scrap or two from the 1969 tracks, and fold-down mono mixes of the 3rd LP and Chelsea Girl.

Sales of the Quine set have evidently made the new set economically viable, given that probably every single $100 set went to someone who had already bought the CD set a few years earlier. I have nothing against Sundazed (and have some of their LPs) but they are just another record company who want us to buy these albums all over again, with the same old tricks. I remember when Polydor put out the 5LP set in 1984, and said the bonus LP would never be released separately. I couldn't afford it at the time but I would have been pretty sick when VU came out if I had. And how many times have I bought the first album? I bet everyone on this board has at least 4 or 5 copies already!
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simonm wrote:Sundazed have said there might be some new stuff on the set, not that that will be. I'm glad this set is coming out, but would have preferred individual releases - a good mono WL/WH reissue will make the world a better place, but the sound on the mono disc of the Deluxe VU&N 2CD was underwhelming IMO. I bought the Quine Tapes vinyl after reviews here, but I don't think I'll be getting this set just to get a scrap or two from the 1969 tracks, and fold-down mono mixes of the 3rd LP and Chelsea Girl.

Sales of the Quine set have evidently made the new set economically viable, given that probably every single $100 set went to someone who had already bought the CD set a few years earlier.
Simon,
given that they have shown us a track list that looks pretty complete I'm not sure how they would fit any more tracks on anyway. Unless there is something they are not telling us.

I agree about individual releases and I agree about the mono sales angle ? I think it's just there to help Sundazed to sell the set. There seems to be an unquestionable idea that original mono mixes of 60's albums are superior to stereo. I think it is based on a few well-known example LPs having 'significantly' different versions in mono. I do not see that idea as necessarily applying to absolutely everything made in that era and not especially to any VU albums.

I think I'd like very good individual re-productions pressings of VU&N and WLWH both in stereo. The trouble is that too many companies have been allowed to re-release inferior LP versions of these albums to make it worthwhile for Sundazed to do anything but a mainly MONO set.
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*bump*

Any more news on this box? Two months have passed...:)
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New artwork on the facebook/Sundazed site. Not clear exactly what we are seeing as there are no labels, but looks like a black LP case cover design (1) with 'The Verve/MGM albums' printed on it and some nostalgia-fetishistic photos of guitars and amps (3-6). I've seen two release dates mentioned now ? July and September.
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This is the pic from Sundazed Facebook page.
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If it is in a box with a latch as pictured, that would be kinda neat; but it could drive the price up from the $100 cost that I'm guessing it will cost. The Quine 6LP set was $100. It is possible that the latched box is just an image, but??
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