Rough Mix Foggy Notion - 1 week download!

lurid_uk · Post by **lurid_uk** » 16 Feb 2005 10:57

FYI re "Foggy Notion" - Simon did a great job of cleaning up my old "22 demos" cassette which I got back in 1985. To the best of my knowledge, the source for most of the "rough mix" tracks was a reel-reel tape of Sterling's old acetates.

iaredatsun · Post by **iaredatsun** » 16 Feb 2005 13:24

simonm wrote:This is really the best of the rough mixes I think - it came from a cassette loaned by Lurid_uk, a guest in these parts who acquired it in the early 80s.

This is great. Thank-you. I compared it with the Foggy Notion EP and Etc. and like someone else says those seem to be mono. This is much much better. It certainly has a bite missing from the offical version mix.

If this is from the 22 Demos tape do you also have the alternate takes of the Ludlow Street demos - the ones they didn't put on the boxset?

lurid_uk · Post by **lurid_uk** » 16 Feb 2005 13:43

I certainly have those alternate Ludlow St demos somewhere - not sure that they were on the 22 demos tape though. Were they not eventually "issued" on one of the "Ultra Rare Trax" boot CDs? If need be I could send them to Simon for "cleaning up". (From memory, the "22 demos" tape has a plie of Pickwick tracks, the "rough mix" 68/69 demos, a couple of radio ads and 4 tracks from the 3rd LP with slightly different mixes (from the Val Valentin mix if I recall properly, so now easily available)). It seems to have been one of the very first sources of rare VU material, and was obviously put together by someone who knew what they were doing. I first saw a cassette of it for sale at a record fair here in Edinburgh in 1982, but the sound quality was abysmal. I got the copy I sent Simon from a guy who'd been in the VUAS right from the start - he probably got it from Phil Milstein or Mike Kostek, thus the superior quality. The "Foggy Notion" ep was issued in 1976 and the sound on that is a bit cleaner, but is all high end, and has no bass to speak of.

simonm · Post by **simonm** » 16 Feb 2005 14:15

re broome street acetate - they were on lurid_uk's tape, but the only bits not released officially are alt takes of Here She Comes Now and a flubbed Sheltered Life, they are not that interesting.

lostblues · Post by **lostblues** » 16 Feb 2005 18:16

Hey Simon!
This mix is so fucking great (if I'm allowed to say this), I have it on my desktop and every time when I'm about to drive crazy, I'll click and crank it up. Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!

iaredatsun · Post by **iaredatsun** » 16 Feb 2005 22:04

lurid_uk wrote:I certainly have those alternate Ludlow St demos somewhere - not sure that they were on the 22 demos tape though.

I rather made that assumption because I knew they were around in the early 80's and hence thought they must be from a tape as non of the vinyl boots seemed to have featured them.

lurid_uk wrote:The "Foggy Notion" ep was issued in 1976 and the sound on that is a bit cleaner, but is all high end, and has no bass to speak of.

Actually i think that's why I always liked it! It wasn't until I heard the Polydor issue on a reasonable hi-fi that I really noticed the bass at all. I do find that slightly predictable and dumb bass line riff to be the only negative thing in an otherwise brilliant song. (ok, so I admit that I'm really not a Yule fan)

Anyway thanks for the offer but maybe its easier for everyone if I track down the extra Ludlow demos from CD somewhere.

Mr. Datsun

iaredatsun · Post by **iaredatsun** » 16 Feb 2005 22:24

simonm wrote:re broome street acetate - they were on lurid_uk's tape, but the only bits not released officially are alt takes of Here She Comes Now and a flubbed Sheltered Life, they are not that interesting.

Broome Street? I am mistaken in calling them Ludlow Street demos?

I know they're not essential but I quite like the sound of those recordings, particularly Here She Comes Now, Not Too Sorry and Sheltered Life. I like the apparently light and fragile feel to them and the way that seems to balance somehow with the gravity of almost everything else they did at that time.

Mr. Datsun

iaredatsun · Post by **iaredatsun** » 16 Feb 2005 22:26

lurid_uk wrote:I certainly have those alternate Ludlow St demos somewhere - not sure that they were on the 22 demos tape though.

I rather made that assumption because I knew they were around in the early 80's and hence thought they must be from a tape as non of the vinyl boots seemed to have featured them.

lurid_uk wrote:The "Foggy Notion" ep was issued in 1976 and the sound on that is a bit cleaner, but is all high end, and has no bass to speak of.

Actually i think that's why I always liked it! It wasn't until I heard the Polydor issue on a reasonable hi-fi that I really noticed the bass at all. I do find that slightly predictable and dumb bass line riff to be the only negative thing in an otherwise brilliant song. (ok, so I admit that I'm really not a Yule fan)

Anyway thanks for the offer but maybe its easier for everyone if I track down the extra Ludlow demos from CD somewhere.

Mr. Datsun

simonm · Post by **simonm** » 17 Feb 2005 10:13

Broome Street? where did I get that from? O's site and everyone else says the stuff was recorded at Ludlow St. Sorry for adding confusion.

iaredatsun · Post by **iaredatsun** » 17 Feb 2005 11:55

simonm wrote:Broome Street? where did I get that from? O's site and everyone else says the stuff was recorded at Ludlow St. Sorry for adding confusion.

No, you're right. Or maybe the facts are confusing. From O's site:

"According to Sterling Morrison, these songs were recorded in an unheated studio on Broom St. in New York City in the winter of 1966, "probably in November or December." Philip Milstein, And So On liner notes.